Gon. Here is everything advantageous to life.
Ant. True; save means to live.
The Tempest. Act ii. Sc. 1
Seems like a no brainer, but I'm guessing that Locke is losing use of his legs because, by trying to find the downed plane, he is indirectly trying to get off the island? That's the same reason the monster shows up, kind of an intervention because the prodigal student is trying to leave the island?
the real ptb
Spoilerish?? I think not. Just some good spectulation. How about Locke moves
away from the magnetic part of the Island (if the island has anything to
do with magnetism). Ido not know. Just when you thing you may have something
figured out, the writers throw a wrench in the cog.
Andromana
I'm assuming you all just saw the preview for next week.
I agree, it looks like Lockes/ Boones interest in the plane is the cause
of the re-paralysis, I just can't beleive he told Boone the island gave
him something, now its trying to take it away."
and I guess boone is now also back up for grabs in the dying aspect.
I thought because they hadn't found the plane yet he was safe. Guess not.
Can anyone confirm the death episode yet ?
Do no harm is my guess.
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it's all cool.
I paused posting it here for that reason, but cmon folks, we saw the damn
preview.
for those that didn't.
it showed locke and boone out and about, locke sees a plane smoking and
crashing somewhere, they go to find it.
Locke stumbles and boone tries to help,, Locke then say..the island gave
something to me, now its trying to take it away..
in a what have i done to deserve this way...IMO
he becomes the fraile and wimpy, pre-crash locke.
boone goes into the cockpit, I did not see a dead person in there either..
boones uses the CB and voila !
Someones there !!! they say hello ? & IMO, It sounded like an english
voice.
theres more..someone else fill in, I'd like to recap this as well.
yung23
One more question. Why did the plane crash here. Seems like a rather large
coincidence that the plane just happened to go down on crap-hole island.
It could be that the pilot was flying over because he heard the distress
call, or maybe he was just flying over on accident, but either way I would
guess the power of the island actually caused the plane to poop out &
crash.
the real ptb
Wow,
I missed the preview. Thanks Yung for the blow by blow account.
It seems pretty firm then - that the island literally gave Locke his legs
back AND his strong personality. And the island does not want them going
anywhere. Is that why Lennie is a loon? He didn't get sucked in, so instead
he got punished with madness.
Now the part about Locke's personality reverting to wimpness is disapointing.
"Hell, I'm an optimist" and I was in the camp that thought Locke
was never a wuss in any way. Now, I'll have to re-evalutate it.
sawyerhasbestlines
I'm with you shtbl. I felt that he was a confident person even if he let
idiots like his boss put him down. Some people who are very confident aren't
bothered by someone trying to put them down. After the preview I'm questioning
the confident Locke and seeing him more as a lonely pathetic person(in his
own opinion) I still think that Sayid's being in the Rep. Guard will be
a connection to the hatch and maybe getting it open though. I think he may
be looking for Locke after his mysterious vanishing next week. Maybe they
weren't in Iraq together after all. However, one thing that also caught
my attention was when Sayid was working on the compass and Locke walked
up on him, Sayid said, " I didn't hear you." It was like he should
have heard someone because with his training that shouldn't happen. That
still makes me think that Locke has some training if he could sneak up on
Sayid.
What do you think?
thoughtform
sawyerhasbestlines, this response may belong in another thread, but the
idea that you brought up about Lennie is big. He mentioned that Hurley had
"opened the Box!" What must he have done to get that sick? I know
he wasn't actually on the island, just at a listening post, but he must've
experienced the numbers, also.
jeffsoup
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However, one thing that also caught my attention was when Sayid was working
on the compass and Locke walked up on him, Sayid said, " I didn't hear
you." It was like he should have heard someone because with his training
that shouldn't happen. That still makes me think that Locke has some training
if he could sneak up on Sayid. What do you think?
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Your statement sounds as if you think that the Republican Guard was a special
forces unit like the US Rangers or SEALs. It wasn't; they were considered
elite because they got better equipment, & pay. Undoubtedly they received
better training than the regular Iraqi army, but then the regular army was
staffed with draftees & those whose loyalties to Hussein was questionable,
so their training was probably substandard.
llywrch
It was my understanding that the Rep. Guard were Saddam's personal guard.
I know that Sayid is from Tikrit, which is where Saddam is from. My line
of thought was that the personal guard of Saddam would have knowledge of
the miles of underground tunnels Saddam had in Iraq. No? Maybe I'm wrong.
thoughtform
The Republican Guard was primarily an internal security force. When the
Iraqi army was in combat the vaunted Republican Guard deployed behind the
front line troops (so those troops couldn't run away). As amply demonstrated
in all three of Iraq's major wars, they were basically inept as combat troops.
Homer Noodleman
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they were basically inept as combat troops.
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That's true, but Sayid definately has some survival skills. He learned them
somewhere.
And where is Locke when Boone makes the distress call? Did Boone just leave him on the ground whimpering?
estoy perdido y contento
I still ponder how, in this day of plane terrorism, did Sayid, a known Iraqi
saddam loyalist get on board flight 815.
Is there not some sort of filter regarding Hussein related people... thanks
to Fush (thats f_ck bush all in one neat little name) ?
how did sayid get on the damn plane ?
not that all iraqi's are terrorists...
his boarding may be interesting to see.
yung23
seems that everyone is assuming that the plane is from off the island. while
this is more likely, it is also plausible(especially given the age of the
plane) that it might have taken off from the island. this assumes that it
is an older plane (it appears to be) that crashed (semi-gently) or landed
(roughly) on the island years ago. maybe others on the island were able
to fix up the plane to use to escape, just as the 815 survivors are trying
to build a raft to escape.
As for locke, he is not a good guy, despite appearances. when serving an
amoral or immoral master, you may receive some benefits, but those benefits
will likely be taken away, especially if you go against the master.
thereaintnostinkingmonster
I've given up trying to avoid next weeks previews when their shown. I've
tried turning my head, but I'm usually to late, and end up seeing everything.
So, I say, if it's shown as a preview, it shouldn't be considered a spoiler.
And, you guys know how I hate spoilers.
Also, everyone in this thread has forgotten the excruciating headaches Sawyer
is going to encounter. I wonder what's that all about!
I'm sure we all have an idea what Locke gave the island for the return of
his mobility, but for the life of me I can't imagine Sawyer giving up anything?
Any thoughts?
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