Gon. Here is everything advantageous to life.
Ant. True; save means to live.
The Tempest. Act ii. Sc. 1
It occurred to me that everyone on the island has lost something, not just in the crash (that's fairly obvious) but even before boarding the plane, all of them had one HUGE thing in their life missing.
So far we've seen that
Locke...LOST his ability to walk
Kate...LOST her freedom
Walt...LOST his mom (and temporarily his dog)
Jack...LOST his father
Could the island be a place where these people find the things they've
lost (either literally or figuratively).
We've already seen that Locke has found the ability to walk and Kate has
a second chance at freedom. Will Jack find his dad? Who knows but the
fact that the casket was empty helps this theory along.
jjabramizeme
This might actually be pretty close to the mark. To add to your list (although
these are mostly speculation):
Charlie was probably about to lose his place in the band due to his drug
problem,
Claire might have been about to lose her baby (to adoption or surrogacy)
Jin and Sun may have been about to lose each other (by Sun leaving him)
Sayid lost the woman in the picture
Sawyer lost whoever wrote the letter
Shannon may have lost her credit card
I have no idea what Hurley could have lost, though. We know almost nothing
about him.
But yeah, for the most part, it is entirely likely that they have all
lost or were about to lose something... and maybe they will "find"
what they lost... or something even better. I like that theory!
cinderellabop
hey thanks
i like your additions, especially that shannon lost her credit card tee
hee!
jjabramizeme
Good work!
Walt may have found a new "mother" in Jin
Jack may have found a new "father" in John
All unattached folks may have found new partners
And maybe, if we're lucky, Charlie will find a new band!
I'll bet they find some instruments soon . . .
drabauer
Hurley could play the drums!
Seriously, this sounds like a great idea, the best metaphorical explanation
of the island and show concept I've heard yet. Let's see if it continues
to be the case.
It is very interesting that no one we've heard about on the plane wanted
to be on the plane, not even the girl that drowned. Every time we hear
why someone was on the plane, it was forces outside their control.
I (heart) Luna Lovegood!
EagleIFilms
Good theories.And that one where they didn't go willingly onto the plane
is a good point too! Never noticed it...even for Rose too in a way, since
she hated flying. Except Charlie, was he on by choice?
Vickie
I'll bet Charlie was going to rehad against his will, or just being booted
off a tour
drabauer
Hurley lost his ability to properly metabolize food.
Black Dahlia
What did the marshal lose other than his life?
Bungarian
The marshall kind of reminds me of a character from Les Miserables. The
character Inspector Javert spent most of his life chasing Jean Valjean,
who had been released from prison but was on parole. He broke that parole
and became a wealthy landowner and mayor of a town. Eventually Javert
caught up with him, and it lead to a point where Valjean saved Javert's
life. Javert was forced to see that the man he'd chased for 15 years was
not such a bad person after all... that he was a good person who'd made
one mistake, and that he deserved a fresh start. Javert killed himself
in the end.
The marshall, likewise, seemed to take Kate's case personally, like it
was his mission to capture her at all costs. But he still couldn't avoid
seeing the good in her--she saved the life of the farmer who had turned
her in, when she probably could have escaped if she hadn't. She saved
the marshall's life by putting the air mask on him during the crash. She
even wanted to make sure the farmer got his reward money. So maybe what
he "lost" was his faith in justice. In the musical Les Miserables,
Javert sings a song about his own confusion and loss of faith just before
he kills himself.
Just a thought...
cinderellabop
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It is very interesting that no one we've heard about on the plane wanted
to be on the plane, not even the girl that drowned. Every time we hear
why someone was on the plane, it was forces outside their control.
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Except Jack, actually. He very much wanted to be on the plane.
Incidentally, so did the Marshall.
proteus74
Cinderellabop, I think you're on to something. If Hugo's story
has something to do with Kate and the Marshall, maybe so do other literary
morality tales (I know there's a literary thread, so I'll stop here).
With regard to whether everyone wanted to be on the plane--I
think we need to look further. They may have wanted that flight, but the
Marshal and Jack didn't want to have to go downunder in the first place
to retrieve their quarry. And wasn't Boon their to rescue Shannon from
something? Unfinished business + long journey + shame?
drabauer
"What did the marshal lose other than his life?"
He lost his captive, his badge and his gun...and, while the plane was
crashing, he lost his consciousness.
DriftWood
Just adding my 2 cents.
Boone and Shannon could be said to have lost each other - hence the reason
Boone was 'rescuing' Shannon. Their brother-sister bond appears a little
on the lost side.
MEmacmur
That's a good concept. I don't think it's the whole solution to the mystery
of the island, but it's the underlying concept of the show and yet another
way to interpret the title of the show.
That makes two bigger concept models so far:
- Tabula Rasa
- finding what you "lost" and finding yourself in special
Abraxas
What the Marshall lost may not be the question.
We know little about the survivors, other than what Claire said at the
funeral pyre. The facts about them seemed random--I tried tonight to catch
any common thread to the trivia we got from their belongings. One thing
we do know--the writers don't seem to have put any notable commonality
to them the way they've put it to the survivors.
Things LOST and found...I love your theory!
So...the Marshall survived the crash temporarily but died--and here's
the important thing--as a result of debris from the crash. In other words,
although he lingered (as did the pilot), he died as a direct result of
the crash itself. His purpose (like the pilot's) seems simply to have
been to offer information the survivors could not (or, in Kate's instance,
would not) know. Question is: Would the pilot have survived had he not
been eaten by the Thing?
Did the ones who died lose anything? In the fictional universe of this
show, maybe, but the fact that the writers chose not to tell us that seems
as important to me as the fact that they did choose to tell us that all
the survivors A.) did lose something (and seem to be in the process of
finding it--even Charlie found some of his stash, and Walt...no, wait,
Michael...no wait again, Locke found Vincent; and B.) they all got forced
onto the plane by some fate or another.
Jack was probably not supposed to be on that plane--the business about
the body not being cleared would/should have kept him off.
We don't know the circumstances of the Marshall getting on that plane,
but he definitely brought Kate against her will. He died, Kate lived.
Dmcquickly
Cool! I like this theory! So, this obviously means there's more to the
name of the show than I previously thought! I think the interesting thing
will be finding out what everyone lost and what they will find in return.
Interesting!
EDIT: also, I was thinking back to the character introductions on ABC.com
and Josh Holloway said that his character (Sawyer) is looking for his
humanity. So, maybe that's what he lost?
Spirit Shards
This is an intriguing possibility, but one that strikes me as a bit premature.
We've only met 13 of the 48 castaways. Maybe they're a representative
cross-section, maybe not. One important reason for dwelling on the pasts
of these particular characters is to dramatize how much some people -
and how little others - have been changed by the island. The theme of
wiping the slate clean for a fresh start is obviously central to the show.
But that doesn't necessarily mean the plot will literally reflect that
fact. Still, I admit it's intriguing.
awsecond
"The marshall kind of reminds me of a character from Les Miserables.
The character Inspector Javert spent most of his life chasing Jean Valjean,
who had been released from prison but was on parole. He broke that parole
and became a wealthy landowner and mayor of a town. Eventually Javert
caught up with him, and it lead to a point where Valjean saved Javert's
life. Javert was forced to see that the man he'd chased for 15 years was
not such a bad person after all... that he was a good person who'd made
one mistake, and that he deserved a fresh start. Javert killed himself
in the end."
Cinderellabop, I was wondering if you would allow me to use this paragraph
of yours on a website I'm currently building, inspired by the "All
Things Philosophical On Buffy the Vampire Slayer" webiste (www.atpobtvs.com),
with my philosophical analyses of Lost episodes. You can read the first
two of them here: p073.ezboard.com/flostthe...=570.topic
Thanks!
SelfProjectRealized