Lie there, my art. Wipe thou thine eyes; have comfort.
The direful spectacle of the wreck, which touch'd
The very virtue of compassion in thee,
I have with such provision in mine art
So safely ordered that there is no soul--
No, not so much perdition as an hair
Betid to any creature in the vessel
Which thou heard'st cry, which thou saw'st sink. Sit down;
For thou must now know farther.
The Tempest. Act ii. Sc. 2
Sorry if this has been up already, but I've looked and haven't seen it yet...new here.. Has anyone considered the possible connection between the pasts of the characters and why they survived? It seems that every survivor we know enought about never intented to be on the plane the way they were.
Jack didn't count on bringing his dead dad back home.
Kate didn't count on being caught.
Claire had been intending to give her baby up for adoption.
Charlie thought his brother would rejoin the band.
Locke didn't expect to be not allowed on the walkabout.
Sun didn't expect to get on the plane with Jin. I'm not sure about Sayid and Sawyer yet, Michael and Walt, Shannon and Boone, or Hurley...but it's weird enough with the others that I think it could mean something.
Nevaraniel
Hmmm. There have been a few threads about how a lot of people weren't "supposed" to be on the plane, but yours takes a slightly different twist. Very interesting. The power of intention... I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
Welcome to the board!
cinderellabop
wow, great call, great post.
i never put it together quite like this but there is definitely a consistency there. nice post! maybe we will be able to add to this list once we get some new character-centric episodes in the future.
TheGZA
It's an interesting twist on one of the things I've been thinking about lately. It occurred to me that every one of the survivors whose back-stories we know experienced some sort of traumatic event that caused them to do some soul-searching right before getting on the plane.
I wonder if we'll find out Hurley's deal anytime soon, because I find him to be one of the most interesting characters on the show (I'm not sure why).
ChoppinBroccoli
Michael and Walt could not have known WHEN his Mom was going to die, so did not intend to be on that exact flight.
KissMESawyer
I posted some stuff about Hurley. it's still going on. I can't let him go, either.
Anyway, this sounds like a good thread. The only objection to this, tho, is that Jin definitely knew he was on this flight. Do you think he is a supurfluous character and he really doesn't matter? ( but in reality, I think I heard that he had his car shipped to Hawaii - or was this someone else?)
But back to this thought - Shannon and Boone are definitely escaping something. I think they accidentally killed her boyfriend - hmmmm? They didn't know they were going to be on this flight.
tenuc
If Sun had run off like she intended, Jin would not have been on the plane either.
queenbee
Sawyer probably arranged his flight pretty quickly as well, once the mark bit and handed over the cash he would be gone, leaving no time for them to change their minds or get wise.
Oswald
But, Jin 'intended' to be on the plane.
Or, maybe he was running away from Sun as well and was bribed (threatened by daddy) to woo her back.
Oh, I don't know. Nothing, nothing, makes sense.
tenuc
this has been discussed but while im here. is it known why sun and jin are on a plane to los angeles? and why where they in australia?
v1p3r6
I agree with Cinderella. It has been said...but yours is a different twist. There have been speculations they have known each other, they were on as were pre-chosen, etc. Nothing like your specificity. I like it. I like it a lot. And welcome...and keep posting!!
cccourt
Okay...I have a theory-let that has a few holes, but is nonetheless interesting.
Is it possible that all the survivors didn't want to face whatever they had to after getting off the plane, thus crashing it by their intentions?
Examples: Jack doesn't want to bury his father, Kate doesn't want to go to prison, Michael and Walt have to continue getting used to the death of Walt's mother, Charlie has to face Drive Shaft not getting the gig, etc.
Not quite the same as how they intended (or didn't intend) to be on the plane...but it still sort of fits...
Nevaraniel
Claire also didn't look forward to giving away her baby (whether or not she actually was giving away her baby on the other side), and Sun didn't look forward to having to be with Jin. The others I don't know about.
Don't tell me what I can't do.
ColLocke
Okay, a bit of new meat for this one:
Shannon said something to Boone about the "nutcase" or something who got them out of Sydney--obviously something unintended.
Sawyer in the police station--he got caught for something and was being extradited to the US? Unintended!
Kate said something about a flight delay--she was supposed to be with the marshall on another plane.
Nevaraniel
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Michael and Walt could not have known WHEN his Mom was going to die, so did not intend to be on that exact flight.------------------------------------------------------------------------
given what we know now this is a bit different.but the coincidence that both of the children on the island were on the plane because they were indirectly given plane tickets for THAT flight by someone else nervously...
Dustr0
I think that we have some really great ideas here. Do you think that the title of the show may not only refer to the Island, but to how each of the survivors were feeling about their lives before they got on the plane? Everyone was doing things that they didnt want to do. They were all feeling guilt about their situations(except Claires baby and Walt) What I dont know is how they all ended up on the same flight. It couldnt be coincidence, yet what could control all this before the crash? That seems like destiny or fate. I dont know, I have many thoughts and theories that havent come together yet. Can anyone help?
thoughtform
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but the coincidence that both of the children on the island were on the plane because they were indirectly given plane tickets for THAT flight by someone else nervously...------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a great point. Maybe somebody got to both Brian and the psychic (Malliken) and warned them to send these parent/child couples on this flight or else!By the way, those of you who have just discovered this wonderful board should check out the index of all the vast, well-thought out theories archived here: Lost Master Theories Index
drabauer
Shannon didn't intend to get screwed over by her boyfriend/partner, so she didn't intend to be flying back with Boone.
Jillian
Yay, I never expected this thread to be broght back! I'm restating all this so you don't have to read through everything.
Jack did not intend to bring his dead dad home.
Kate was going back with the marshall, and she mentions a flight delay.
Claire was originally going to give the baby up for adoption, but got on a different flight at the last mimute thanks to the psychic.
Charlie thought his brother would rejoin the band.
Locke didn't expect to be sent home from the walkabout.
Sun was going to run away from Jin.
Sawyer is seen in the Sydney PD, possibly being late extradited to the US for whatever crime.
Shannon did not expect the con to backfire, nor did Boone expect his sister to come back. Shannon mentions a "nutcase" (or something similar) who got them on the plane.
Michael did not expect to gain custody of Walt at that time, nor did Walt expect for his biological father to come back.
I really didn't expect this theory to hold up as well as it did with future episodes! Also, I really like thoughtform's idea about the characters being "lost" in a sense before the plane crash.
Nevaraniel
Whoa. A lot of you guys made some really good points. But I was wondering, what about Sayid? Why did he get on the plane?
VickWantsJack