Lie there, my art. Wipe thou thine eyes; have comfort.
The direful spectacle of the wreck, which touch'd
The very virtue of compassion in thee,
I have with such provision in mine art
So safely ordered that there is no soul--
No, not so much perdition as an hair
Betid to any creature in the vessel
Which thou heard'st cry, which thou saw'st sink. Sit down;
For thou must now know farther.
The Tempest. Act ii. Sc. 2
A few things I noticed after re-watching the pilot:
1) How in the world did Jack end up so far into the forest when everyone
else ended up on the beach. Jack tells the boy’s father that he
saw the dog “a couple of hundred yards” into the woods in
the second part of the Pilot. So Jack landed a coupe hundred yards away
from everyone else. And he definitely did not get thrown ahead of the
crash since we have already determined that the plane was coming from
over the island, not the ocean. I guess it’s possible that since
we don’t know how long it was after the crash that he woke up everyone
could have landed in the woods and just made their way to the beach. However,
I think this is unlikely seeing as how when Jack gets to the beach there
is still so much confusion and the turbines are still turning. Did Kate
end up in the woods also? The first time we see her she’s coming
out of the woods where Jack is trying to dress his wound. Coincidence?
2) The first night after the crash is when they first hear “it.” However, if you watch the scene closely you will notice that there are TWO things in the woods making noise, one mechanical and one natural (animal). When the characters first hear the noise it sounds mechanical, like metal scraping on metal or something. When they stand up and are looking into the woods they are looking to their right, our left. Then, something else makes noise, something that growls and shakes the trees. As soon as they hear this noise, they look left (our right). The mechanical noise could be coming from the direction of the cockpit. However, it is awfully coincidental that both noises come from two different directions at the same time.
3) How did Charlie end up a survivor along with everyone from the middle
section of the plane. In the beginning of the pilot part 2 Charlie is
sitting in the middle section of the plane. He gets up because he needs
a fix and the 2 airline guys are coming towards him. He then gets up and
passes Jack. He tries to get in the bathroom in the middle section of
the plane but they are both being used and the airline guys are getting
closer. So he proceeds to first class in the very front of the plane.
He goes in the bathroom and takes a hit and then the turbulence starts.
He comes out and almost gets hit by the cart. He dodges and then makes
his way to the nearest empty seat and straps his seatbelt. How was he
in the front of the plane with his seatbelt on but alive with everyone
from the middle of the plane when it crashed? They didn’t find his
body along with everyone else’s when they find the cockpit. Doesn’t
make sense.
Sorry this is so long but just a few things I noticed that didn’t
add up. Any thoughts?
byschld
Two 'monsters'? I'll have to go back and watch. Stupidly I didn't tape the pilot (1st 2 eps) but I have downloaded the first hour.
Check out the thread titled 'Theory #1138'. Assuming that 'Adam &
Eve' are Jack & Kate, and my further theorizing that when Locke saw
the 'monster' he actually saw something or someone he recognized, then
maybe the mechanical 'monster' was protecting the survivors from the animal
'monster', which could be the polar bear, the boars, or other creatures
yet undiscovered.
Still doesn't explain what (or why) something yanked the pilot
from the cockpit, though. Unless...
Going back to the 'Light vs. Dark' theories, maybe we have
two groups manipulating the survivors, or their future/past selves, or
maybe the French woman has built mechanical assistance to help her survive,
or...
My brain hurts and I really should be working. Still two more days until Wednesday..
deelsee7
Good points! Here are my thoughts:
1. I've wondered about this as well. And since we have not actually seen
the crash, it's hard to say how jack ended up where he did, and relatively
uninjured. Going by Sayid's description, though, their section of the
plane went "skidding through the jungle. It's entirely possible that
Jack was knocked from the plane by this action, although, I still can't
understand how he survived under those circumstances.
2. Uhhh... wow, that one blows my mind. Now I have to watch it again to
see for myself!
3. The Charlie plane incident has been much discussed, particularly in
Dom's section of the board. One person watched it in slow motion and deconstructed
his movements to come up with a plausible explanation for this. See the
following thread:
Charlie
and the plane incident finally resolved!!!!
cinderellabop
Excellent points bsychld.
#1 - I think the shows producers want us to assume he was thrown out of
the plane as it crashed on the beach. It is very remarkable that he only
had the one back injury and afew minor cuts here and there.
#2 - I noticed too that the survivors were swinging their heads back and
forth...
#3 - I rewatched the scenes with Charlie in the plane and it appears to
me that he was in the front to...
Colonel Sanders luvs Lost
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How in the world did Jack end up so far into the forest when everyone
else ended up on the beach.
This has been bothering me since the beginning. Of course it could have
been just a dramatic device to set Jack a bit apart from the rest of the
characters, but I think it's more than that. Personally, I've always had
the strong feeling that the survivors were "placed" on the ground
by something/someone.
And it always seemed odd to me the way Jack suddenly began running in exactly the direction of the wreckage, like he knew where he was going. (Did he hear the engine noise and the screams?)
Am I correct that we never see any survivors actually emerge from the
fuselage? We also see Locke "wake up" on the ground in "Walkabout"
on the beach near the fuselage. I've been hoping that some of the other
episodes will show the survivors' first conscious moment after the crash.
So far we've only seen the turbulence and beginning of the descent of
the plane through three characters: Charlie, Kate and Jack, and nothing
where they're close to impact.
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However, if you watch the scene closely you will notice that there are
TWO things in the woods making noise, one mechanical and one natural (animal).
There is a definite metallic sound to the "monster"
the first night. Since I'm not yet sure how much of what's happening on
the island is "real" and how much is subjective, in the minds
of the individual survivors, I've wondered if they're even all hearing
the same thing. If it's a reflection of their own fears, it may well be
that some heard metallic sounds and others heard animal sounds, and we
as the audience are hearing both. One of the survivors (I forget who--was
it Rose?) said it sounded familiar to them or that they'd heard that sound
before.
SayidsGirl
just a point about jack seeing the dog "vincent" in the jungle just after the crash. Uh anyone else notice that in this scene "vincent" if it really is "vincent" is not wearing his dog collar? I know it's been bought up before but just thought i'd throw it in this thread seeing it's about unnoticed things from the pilot and some people may have forgotten about it. What exactly it means that jack saw a dog that looked like "vincent" but possibly might not have been unless the dog learnt how to attach it's collar itself is anyone's guess but i do think it's somehow important to remember.
seraphism
It would be nice too, if the people behind the scenes would
then tell us , "Sorry folks that actually was a production error".
I know that it is supposed to be rare in this show (if it happens at all),
but it would help us all if we knew which things were truly intentional
and which were errors. But I guess then if we knew for sure that something
was intentional, that takes out all the fun of guessing what is and what
is not a purposeful message...
Rene
When I watched the pilot shows, I noticed the monster noise
part too. I just assumed it was one of those things, but maybe now I'll
rethink it all.
One other thing I noticed was a discrepancy about where Sawyer said he found the gun. If he was honest (a long shot?), he took it from a body in the wreckage. Since the marshal wasn't dead, it couldn't have been his gun. So, just whose gun is it anyways? Does this mean there might still be another gun (the marshal's) around? Did Sawyer find it too and hide it as well, hoping to keep this one for his own use sometime down the road? And if the original gun didn't belong to the marshal, who else could have boarded the plane with one?
onewordnospaces
the sawyer/dead body thing has been debated before, i think
the general gist was that sawyer could still have been telling the truth.
Yes there could have been another gun/marshall around or sawyer could
simply have mistaken a beat up marshall with a piece of shrapnel the size
of his head sticking out of his chest for "a body". Only flaw
with that theory is that perhaps sawyer might have noticed "the body"
he was looting was still breathing.
ps:- then again this all could tie in with the fact that sawyer and kate
know each from before the island and he had an ulterior motive for speaking
as he did....
seraphism
Yes, the point #1 you make has bothered me for some time. Actually the fact that 48 people survived what should have been a very violent crash is amazing. One of the big mysteries is what happened in those minutes between the plane breaking up and Jack waking up.
Hey, that rhymes! Maybe Charlie can write a tune for it
b a fett
#1- i noticed this too. but sayid did say that the plane
"cartwheeled" through the jungle. But that still doesnt explain
y he only had a cut back and a scratched face. anyone flying from a plane
and landing flat on his back would suffer back injuries and would not
do to well running through the jungle as soon as he regains conciousness.
which brings up another point: he woke up and he was lying flat on his
back like he was placed there. if he flew from a plane he would most definately
be crumpled up.
#2- I never even noticed this. (and what im about to say is
completely from memory from when the pilot first aired) when they heard
the soudns that night, was that the only time the mecahnical noise was
heard, or was it heard everytime the "monster attacked"? because
if it was heard just that nite, then it could just be the cockpit falling
thru the trees. but who knows, i could be far off.
and the sawyer one- dont forget that not only did he have
a gun, but he had a badge too. so he must have got it off the marshall.
now he couldnt have taken a gun AND a badge without noticing that the
body was still alive. so either: a) he took it forcefully, proving hes
an enemy, or b) who knows sawyer might be a second marshall, kind of like
backup to make sure kate gets back. because remember, she has run away
a few times.
ps:all of this is written on old memories and 16 cups of coffee, so i apologize if im far off
DipshIt19
Another thing I noticed when Kate and Jack meet - is that Kate is dressed in different clothes from when she was on the plane. She was wearing a suit on the plane, and she shows up wearing gold cargo pants, but same shirt.
It's a little unbelievable she found her suitcase that fast, and had the
wits to change clothes. If I found my ass in a bamboo jungle after a plane
crash, changing into my gold cargo pants would not be on my to-do list.
sawyerhasbestlines
1. *sigh* Has it not occurred to anyone that Jack could have
wondered away from the plane crash in shock? When he wakes up in the jungle
he is in shock, he does not hear the sounds of the plane and other survivors
until he hits the beach. Best explanation for how he wound up there. Unless
you find it easy to believe his seat belt held up until just before his
section of the plane came to a stop, broke and Jack somehow fell straight
down into a patch of bamboo without breaking any of it or impaling himself.
3. Yes it is highly, highly unlikely that Charlie would have ran back twenty rows to the middle section of the plane after just smacking off of the ceiling of the plane. I am sure he would sit in the first unoccupied seat and strap himself in.
Baron X
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dont forget that not only did he have a gun, but he had a badge too. so
he must have got it off the marshall. now he couldnt have taken a gun
AND a badge without noticing that the body was still alive. so either:
a) he took it forcefully, proving hes an enemy, or b) who knows sawyer
might be a second marshall, kind of like backup to make sure kate gets
back. because remember, she has run away a few times.
Sawyer stated he retrieved the pistol from an ankle holster off a dead body, yet the man who had been escorting Kate was not dead at that time. He may have been a U.S. Marshall, and in fact probably was, but we don't know that for an absolute certainty.
The possibility exists that he was in fact not the U.S. Marshall but rather
something else. The man who had been escorting Kate was being tended to
by Jack or Jack was having others watch over him or assist him, like Hurley
was, with the removal of impaled metal piece.
Although it certainly appears he was "the marshall" and we're
being led to believe that, we don't know that.
In fact there are quite a few things that we think we know, or are talked
about as if they are known, when in fact it can be shown they are not
known. A good example is Locke and his "condition." We are being
led to believe he was paralyzed when in fact we do not know that. One
does not have to be paralyzed to need ,or want to use, a wheelchair. If
it was paralysis it could have been psychosomatic (only in his mind);
it could have been some other medical condition that resulted in numbness
and a loss of feeling in his legs but not a paralysis per se; it could
have been as the result of some surgery. Again, we are being shown things
and are being led to make assumptions based on what we see and hear but
they are just that, assumptions.
Here is another example that I saw on the repeat of the pilot episode, part two (I missed part two the first time). It's been reported the French translation said "It's outside. It killed them. It killed them all." when in fact Shanon's translation never used the word "outside" at all. I fail to see how anyone could get a truly accurate translation based on what I heard. If they heard the word "outside" then why wouldn't Shannon's script have mentioned it as well? Therefore I can't trust the translation reported on the forum as being accurate. It may be what the translator 'thinks' they heard or maybe even something they added themselves, but again, Shannon did not say that word. It was probably not in the script. Notice I didn't say "was not in the script" because I do not know that for a fact. It reaffirms that people often see and hear what they want to and not what is or was real. And therein lies the difference between a translation and an interpretation. As far as the show is concerned ones interpretation is irrelevent and the only thing we should be basing our conjecture on is what we have seen or heard for ourselves; what the writers want us to see and hear.
Badger32