Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
The Tempest. Act i. Sc. 2
SuperMod, Enforcer and all-around-great-gal JG informed
me today (3-11-05) that there were requests to bring this thread back
from the depths to which it was sent late last year. Keep in
mind, this concept and idea date all the way back to 10-4-04. So if some
of finer points of the this theory are lost on what we now know has happened
since then, I apologize. Back when Lost started, I immediately began to
search for a grand concept that cold possibly explain all the strange
things we had already seen in the first few episodes, as well as what
I knew was coming down the line. To date, I still believe this is one
of the more workable theories, and its the one I'm still working on to
continue to add proof as we see new clues each week. When boiled down
to its essential elements, it basically says that some kind of experiment
happened on the island, and that the lingering effects from that experiment
could be the cause for the strange effects to the crash survivors, the
crash itself, and the overall mysterious nature of the island. This was
also based on the early quotes form Fury and Lindeloff that in the end,
there would be a scientific or psuedo-scientific explanation for everything.
Enjoy.
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I was waiting to post this until I completed my research this
weekend, and I'm not posting this as a spoiler because it's speculation,
but it defiantly could ruin the mystery of the island and what it is if
you buy into my concept, so read at your own risk!
Some of you younger sorts may not remember a really bad 1984 movie called
the Philadelphia Experiment, but maybe you do remember the story.
Trust me, don't waste your time with the movie, I spent all weekend sifting
through data on the web, and there's plenty of information out there to
read about this event. I actually bought the movie and watched it because
I hadn't seen it for so long, and like I said, don't waste your time or
money. The science behind this movie is compelling though, or science
fiction, depending on how you look at it, and that's what this is all
about. The scientific or pseudo-scientific explanation of what the island
is.
To lay this all out, I'm going to do it in parts, first the basic
background of the story, then some information on the science fiction
behind it, and then how this concept relates to the show Lost.
Part I - Basic Background of the Experiment
This is a basic description of the story of the Philadelphia Experiment
from one of the websites I reviewed this weekend. A lot of the websites
that are out there are VERY speculative, they mostly are written by people
who have spent time researching this and interviewing people who were
supposedly part of the experiment or witnessed it in some way. The Navy
probably did the usual bang up job that any branch of the military does
when it needs to cover something up, so there's not a lot of declassified
material laying around to support the claims of these researchers. What
is important going forward is the basic concept involved, just keep that
in mind. Here's the story.
The Philadelphia Experiment, otherwise known as Project Rainbow, has been
a subject of long controversy and debate. It was an attempt by the Navy
to create a ship that could not be detected by magnetic mines and-or radar.
Although the story itself seems too bizarre to be true, far too many coincidences
have occurred for it to not be based upon some small iota of truth. The
technical data that has also been presented upon the subject hold far
too much credence to be ignored. Many of the stories associated with this
infamous experiment are wild: whispers of men 'freezing' in time for months,
rumors of men traveling through time, and horror stories of men becoming
stuck in bulkheads or even the floor of the ship itself.
In the 1930's Nikola Tesla got involved with a group with was experimenting
with moving through the Time/Space continuum. In the early 1930's, the
University of Chicago investigated the possibility of invisibility through
the use of electricity.
In 1939 this project was moved to Princeton's Institute of Advanced Studies
- this is not far from Philadelphia. There they were able to make small
objects invisible. They presented this technology to the government. The
military, because we were at war wanted to pursue it in their direction.
Tesla had come to the same conclusion that Einstein did that this technology
if developed would not be used for the benefit of mankind.
In 1943 the government conducted a test using domestic animals on a ship.
The ship that was eventually used for the experiment, the USS Eldridge,
was commissioned at the New York Navy Yard on August 27,1943 (Department
of the Navy). The animals were placed in metal cages on the USS Eldridge.
The ship became invisible but when it materialized many of the animals
were missing or had radiation and other burn marks on them. Humans were
not to be tested.
Yet on August 12, 1943 the USS Eldridge with a full crew aboard reportedly
underwent the Philadelphia Experiment. The men did not know what was to
happen. The generators were fired up. The switches were thrown. The ship
disappeared and all seemed well.
The Navy, in a search for a plausible answer, has suggested that perhaps
the Philadelphia Experiment was confused with experiments done attempting
invisibility to magnetic mines. This was a process known as degaussing.
But the ship was gone from the harbor for about 4 hours, not just a few
minutes. Legend has it that the ship was transported through space and
time. It arced through Space/Time.
Four hours later it returned to its original place. There was a greenish
haze on deck. Some of the sailors were on fire. Some seemed insane. All
were sick. Some had heart attacks. Some were dead. Some were part of the
super structure of the ship, buried in the deck or walls of the ship.
Some reports said that men just seemed to disappear and were never seen
again.
But where had the ship gone for 4 hours? Some witnesses placed it in Norfolk
Harbor. Others say it voyaged 40 years into the future and wound up at
Montauk, New York.
The Navy denied everything and said the men were lost at sea. Perhaps
one day the truth will be known.
www.crystalinks.com/phila.html
Part II - The Science Fiction
This is the part of the theory that works for me. When you're reading
this information, you'll see what's all involved, guys like Tesla and
Einstein were actually involved in this. It's based on Einstein's Unified
Field Theory, and if you look at this from Lindelof's and JJ Abrams perspective,
its a beauty. Here are a few pieces of info on the science behind the
experiments, these are also from the above link, and again are speculative
in nature, in fact, the researcher believes he was a World War II secret
agent in a past life or something. There were major debunking efforts
that were put up against all this, but again, it's only the concept that
we need to move forward.
Dr. Albert Einstein, Dr. John von Neumann, and Dr. Nikola Tesla were
involved in the project. Some controversy has arisen as to the participation
of Tesla because he died in New York city on January 7, 1943, which was
only a two month period of time after the project took place. Einstein,
on the other hand, suggested such a project as this to the Navy on several
occasions. Because of this, he was probably involved in the project. As
for von Neumann, there is no evidence to refute or promote his active
participation in the matter. There is evidence that supports the fact
that he later continued on the experiment at a different time.
The principle that lay behind the Philadelphia Experiment was the Unified
Field Theory. This theory states that gravity and magnetism are connected,
just as mass and energy are connected through the formula E=mc2. Einstein
never solved the Unified Field Theory, but the very nature of the Philadelphia
Experiment suggests otherwise. It is probably that this theory has become
a government secret because it is capable of doing many things, possibly
even space travel without the assistance of rockets.
If the technicalities of the experiment are vague and a matter of controversy,
the results of the experiment are just as foggy. One fact which everyone
seem to agree on is that a field was extended many yards, up to perhaps
one hundred, outside of the ship and into the water (Anonymous).
Everything inside of this sphere was vague in form and the only visible
shape was the hull of the Eldridge in the water. This field seemed to
have a greenish color and was misty. Another fact everyone agrees was
that the Eldridge did not function properly after the experiment and became
a source of trouble.
The Eldridge Today - Some reports say that the ship was dismantled. Others
report say it was taken to Greece and renamed the Leon. A man named George
N. Pantoulas maintains that the was given as military aid from US to Greece
sometime between the late 40's and early 50's where it served in the Greek
navy until 1990 and is sea worthy today. It is purported located in the
Suda Bay Naval Station in Crete.
So that's an overview-explanation of the science. Here are some other
links to some of the websites I reviewed this weekend, the last is a skeptic
debunking site, the first is from a guy named Andrew Hochheimer who wrote
a pretty good book covering all of this. He even has a section on the
Russian version of the experiment, and he was interviewed by the Discovery
Channel for a special they did on this topic, his site has a lot of great
photos. None of the bookstores in my area had his book or any other books
about this subject though, which I thought was odd. I'm thinking that's
a bonus for the creators of the show because the story is so cold right
now, it's totally off the radar and has never been done correctly by Hollywood
or TV.
www.softwareartist.biz/philexp.html
www.viewzone.com/philadelphia.html
Obviously, there are many more sources out there for review, these were
some of the ones I looked at. If anyone comes across others that are useful,
please post them. So before I go into my thoughts on how this figures
into the show, I invite you all to read the information on some of these
links and go a little more in depth with it, the more you know about it,
the more what I propose will make sense. If you really want to get crazy,
do a search for Einstein's Unified Field Theory and read those sites.
If, however, you don't have the time or desire to do so, that's fine,
I've posted the key elements here so you wouldn't have to go very far
to get the basic concept.
Keep this in mind at all times - the concept that someone completed and
applied Einstein's Unified Field Theory is HUGE. That's really what I
think the writers are working off of here. It contains elements
of almost every well-known science fiction theme out there. From time
travel to inter-dimensional travel to invisibility to the involvement
of alien technology, its all in there as a fringe element of the story.
That's why this really isn't as much of a "theory" of mine as
it is a "concept".
Part III - The Concept of the Completion of Einstein's Unified
Field Theory and it's Practical Applications for the Writers and Producers
of the TV Show Lost
For the record, this is a concept, not a black and white theory. I will draw some conclusions about the show as an example of how great this concept works to explain things on Lost. My goal is to use this as a foundation to maybe get the island it's own board so we can all continue to post our developing theories based on this concept.
Where to begin? Let's start with the writers and producers. If you were
going to come up with a show like this, where you had a 4 or 5 year story
arc developed for the characters and the island, you'd need a pretty big,
open-ended concept that you could take in a lot of different directions
later on. You'd need some flexibility, and that's exactly what this concept
offers them. The other thing it offers that no other theory I've seen
posted so far really covers is the possibility of a conspiracy. I know
that's important to a lot of the J.J Abrams fans out there. With this
concept, you could have it and it could be almost anything.
My biggest problem with the show so far was that a lot of us had pointed
out that this island is obviously big enough that it should have been
inhabited at some point, or at the very least, you'd be able to see it
from space. I posted a NASA link where you can view the Earth grid by
grid and look at satellite images of all the little islands and atolls
that are out there. The fact that no one supposedly gets off of the island
along with the 16 year old radio signal that doesn't seem to be carrying
like normal radio waves do is what lead me to review the concept of the
Philadelphia Experiment.
So here's the whole concept as it relates to this show: What if
nobody ever gets off the island because you can't actually see it and
radio signals for help can't escape it?
That's what I think is happening in a nutshell. Think about how it makes
all makes sense, and again, this is just one possible scenario the writers
could be working from.
We know they crashed in South Pacific somewhere. What took place all over
the Pacific islands in the 40's and 50's? That's right, nuclear bomb testing
from several countries, not just the US, but Britain, France and others
too. That's not important, what is important is that the countries that
did the testing moved a lot of the original inhabitants around so they
could nuke parts of or all of their islands. Then the testing counties
did major clean-up efforts and spent lots of money trying to make the
islands livable afterwords, I posted some links about this on another
thread.
So here's a thought. At they same time Einstein and other scientists were
working on the Manhattan Project, they were supposedly also working on
the Unified Field Theory and how it might be used to make ships invisible.
We know they succeeded in making the atomic bomb, and that was reportedly
one of the reasons Einstein didn't finish his theory, he knew it would
never be used for anything good, but that the military would use it for
their own advancement, not to mention the other applications it had for
space travel, time travel (which I think he viewed as dangerous, I could
be wrong though) and stealth technology.
If you start with that basic foundation, it's not hard to extrapolate
what the writers could say happened next. Some country, probably
the U.S. because we supposedly did the original experiment (although it
could be another country or group for purposes of the show Lost) wanted
to continue the experiments. The story is that Dr. John von Neumann continued
the work. It wouldn't have been uncommon for a project like that to go
off the books after 1943, it would probably have been set up as a black
operation where the funding for it wasn't itemized and accounted for by
the GOA. It could have become a CIA or NSA project or it could have been
privatized with a government contractor company with little or no involvement
from the military.
So after the initial experiment, this technology would have to have been
viewed as EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, and testing near populated areas would
have stopped completely. So what could they have done then? Well,
they could have said they needed one of those islands out in the South
Pacific where the nuclear testing was going on for different kinds of
tests, preferably one that's smaller, out of the way and not inhabited.
So the government finds a spot for them in the Marshall Islands
or somewhere near there, which is defiantly a possible site for the plane
crash in the show.
From there, you can take this concept and draw it out about a
hundred different ways. I'd like to think that they got there
and set up shop after WW II was over, probably in the late 40's. I don't
think they would have moved this technology to the Pacific Theater during
the war with Japan being so close. As far as the goal of the mission and
the nature of the project, like I said, it could be a lot of things. Maybe
they wanted to try the same thing, but with a nuclear powered vessel.
The first nuclear craft was a sub called the Nautilus in 1951:
www.ussnautilus.org/history.html
The first nuclear ships showed up in 1955 as both military and commercial ships.
So lets say they tried the same experiment, but with a nuclear power source
to create a larger or more powerful field. Maybe the goal was to do what
they originally set out to do, to make a ship invisible to the eye and
to radar. Maybe the goal was to build a small nuclear reactor
on the island to produce a massive field to create an invisible island
base that couldn't be seen.
Besides the race to create the first nuclear bomb, which we won, there
was another great race going on in the 50's-the space race. We lost that
one when Russia launched Sputnik, the first satellite in 1957.
www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pa...y/sputnik/
Now I doubt the first purpose of Sputnik was to go looking for islands
in the South Pacific where the U.S. might be working testing Unified Field
Theory equipment. But other satellites, mostly for spying, started going
up pretty quickly.
So with satellites going up in the late 50's, if something went wrong
with the experiment (or right for that matter) before then, the island
could have disappeared and the only ones who would have known about it
would be those who worked the project. Satellites could theoretically
be imaging the area today and nothing would show up. Boats could steam
right by and not see a thing. And they originally had problems
reaching the crew of the Eldridge by radio due to interference from the
electromagnetic field the ship was producing in the first experiments.
So there's your explanation of why the radio message isn't getting out.
That's what I'm thinking is going on. On some level the experiment succeeded.
Either a nuclear vessel (like a sub in a tunnel base, or a ship
docked on the other side of the island in a small inlet or cove) or a
small base in or on the island itself with a nuclear power source is producing
an electromagnetic field big enough to envelop the whole island. Keep
in mind this field would be spherical in nature, so if we're looking at
a 10 or 15 mile diameter globe-shaped area, then it would extend straight
up from the source half that distance (the radius) into the sky. Since
one mile is 5,280 feet, if the diameter of the field is 12 miles, then
it would extend upward 31680 feet. Extend that as far as you want to for
use with this concept, the point is it would have been big enough for
a plane to fly into.
Think back to what the pilot said: "Six hours in, our radio went
out. No one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji. By the time
we hit turbulence, we were 1000 miles off course. They're looking for
us in the wrong place."
When he said "no one could see us", I could never figure that
out. With the concept of the electromagnetic field, that would explain
why his radio went out. It would also explain what he meant, all of a
sudden, they couldn't see their own plane's signature on radar because
they had entered the field. They must have known they were already off
course, and when they flew through the field, they either went down inside
of it or turned back around and entered it on the way back to Fiji. Odds
are, if you fly or float into this field and your plane or ship is not
outfitted with the equipment used in the experiment, your radio signals
would be disrupted and just bounce around inside the dome shaped field.
EMP interference, or an electro-magnetic pulse could have also shut some
of the planes systems down, causing them to lose flight control. That
coupled with the turbulence could have brought the plane down VERY QUICKLY,
right into the island, and ripped it apart in the process. Likewise if
a ship or barge entered the field, they could have also lost power, and
then they'd be coasting at a high rate of speed without the ability to
reverse course. All of a sudden this island would appear out of nowhere,
they wouldn't be able to stop, and they'd run aground and wreck and sink.
This would explain how people have gotten "Lost" there and haven't
been able to be rescued.
That's the basic concept I'm putting forth. Like most good theories and
concepts backed by various degrees of proof, it raises more questions
than it solves, and that's exactly the kind of flexibility the writers
are looking for. Think of all the questions this creates about the island
that we can discuss for weeks and weeks and weeks:
Who really did the experiments? Are there governments or agencies or private
companies involved? Are there still conspiracies in place today, or have
those that started the work all died, victims of an accident? Was it a
ship or the entire island they were trying to make invisible? What went
wrong with the experiment? Where they just trying to work on invisibility
or were they trying to move ships through space or time? Are there areas
of instability on the island where portals are opening up, causing animals
from the past or future to appear? Did they try to go back in time and
bring animals back with them as proof of success for continued funding?
Are the experiments still going on today? Who knows about them? Is there
a new sinister group that has started the work again and is responsible
for putting this group together on this flight and setting the flight
path to take them right to the island? If so, for what purpose? Is the
island being monitored somehow with a special satellite that can see thought
the electromagnetic field? Did the whole island move to a different time
or place in the ocean? Was some of the technology used in the experiment
reverse-engineered from recovered alien technology? Even worse, was there
collaboration with the aliens to get the technology? Is the island an
abandoned alien base, made invisible so they'd always have a place on
this planet to operate from?
I think you all get the point.
The thing to remember about this show is that we're only going
to find things out about the island as fast as the survivors do. An
even when they do find clues, they're going to have to figure them out
to move forward in the right direction. We might all be screaming at the
television when they discover something, because maybe we'll know what's
going on and they won't. Or the opposite could happen, and we'll all think
we know what's going on, but the writers change gears and take us someplace
else. Bottom line, Lost will be about the characters and how they deal
with each other while they're trying to figure the mystery of the island
out.
This concept works marvelously for this story and gives the writers
unlimited "outs", to use a poker term, for where they can take
the mythology arc of the show. As always, feel free to agree
or disagree, and I'm sure you could take any single question from the
group above and argue the different sides of it for hours, not to mention
the other questions you will all come up with yourselves. I think that's
what the creators of the show want us to do. They want obsessive, loyal
fans to make this show a cult phenomenon, and so far, it looks like they're
succeeding.
pinnerman
Oh wow...I thought I was obsessed!!
Thanks pinnerman....this is fab. See other posts on the Philadelphia Experiment!
cccourt
Max and I have been reading each others stuff since we hit the boards.
We're both long winded and probably go overkill on the theoretical side
of things, but there are those of you who appreciate that. He probably
read some of my posts this from weekend where I was hinting to the group
in JacksGirl's thread titled "Time Loops?" at what my new theory
would be about, and it looks like late last night, in the middle of the
night, he put a post up on the plane wreck where he also mentioned the
Philadelphia Experiment. He didn't completely sell himself out and commit
to the concept like I have, in fact I quote his post where he says:
"I think this is the craziest, most unsupportable theory yet. But
something about the show made me think "Philadelphia Experiment"
even though I haven't spent a neuron on that hoax in more than twenty
years. And this is what I came up with."
Well as you can see, I burned quite a few neurons this weekend trying
to wrap my arms around this theory so all of you could get the cliff notes
version it and use it for your own enjoyment of the show.
I figured if anybody else was going to guess what my self proclaimed "master
theory" was, it would be him. Congratulations Max, and let me know
what you think.
pinnerman
Excellent job. I am a Philadelphia Experiement buff and you hit all the
salient points!
Two knee jerk questions though:
1. If there is a magnetic field surrounding the island, and the field
generated in the Philadelphia Experiment cast a greenish hue, wouldn't
that be visible from the beach staring out to the ocean?
2. Wouldn't the EMP's or field generate its own distinct signature which
could be read or observed by satellite, or instruments from nearby ships?
Sleeestack
Sleestack - I'm going to answer questions about this concept like I think
the writers would, so here goes.
1) About the green hue, I'm thinking that was a by-product of the first
experiment and the power source that they used, which was the best available
at the time. After working the kinks out in later experiments, and thanks
to the added power provided by the nuclear reactor, the field that's generated
is perfect, completely invisible.
2) Nothing, no radio signals or electromagnetic interference, is escaping
the spherical shaped field. The field itself is slightly out of phase,
and is stationary. Things can theoretically come into the field and then
leave, if they still have power to do so. If the power system for the
plane or boat dies due to the EMP interference in the bubble , it's rendered
inoperable. That's not to say you can't have power on the island, but
transistors and other electronics probably are effected by the field just
like other electronics are rendered useless in the wake of a nuclear explosion.
There, see how easy that will be for the writers?
pinnerman
It's about freakin time, Pinnerman. I waited all morning and finally had
to get dressed and go to the grocery store.
Yes, I think it's a definite possibility and I love all the work. (And,
for all you girls out there, the Philadelphia Experiment is worth watching
just to see Michael Pare - he's a doll). The experiment certainly explains
the technical aspects of everything that's been happening - the radar,
the radio, the airplane crash, etc. and I honestly think you're right
about one thing. There's a big chance this is what the French might have
been trying to do (and probably others before them). But when I answered
Max earlier this morning in his "one really bizarre theory"
thread, I've been hoping this is not the case. I truly want a more naturally
occuring problem here - not that I ever get what I want.
This will open a great debate. I'm very eager to see what kinds of things
people come up with. But as I said before I'm hoping one theory is not
going to explain all this. I'd like to see them delve into every science
fiction/real science/outlandish theory ever devised and merge them into
one single unified mythology. And just because I'm stubborn and skipped
science classes alot, although I'm accepting that the Philadelphia Experiment
probably came into play here, I'm thinking everything went horribly wrong
and totally beyond anyone's control. Therefore: I'm going to stick with
my they're not in Kansas any more theory. I just don't think they're on
planet Earth.
JacksGirlfriend
It seems to me that the island has to be invisible or in another dimension
for people to be stuck there. The Philadelphia experiment theory is as
good as any as a means to justify an invisible island.
A Gilligan's island scenario, particularly with an island that big, isn't
plausible today.
nastyned
pinnerman - I thought I was the only one crazy enough to come up with
the Philadelphia Experiment theory. My lord, you went and ran circles
around me on it! I'm not sure if this represents an admirable tenacity
or an obsession bordering on the neurotic. But if it's the latter, we're
both heading to the funny farm. ;-)
I can't honestly tell you why I thought of the Philadelphia Experiment
last night. I was thinking about the film and it just popped into my head.
Although I don't have a single tiny shred of on-screen evidence to support
the theory I felt compelled to post it anyway. I have no idea if it's
anywhere close to the *right* theory, it just appeared fully formed out
of the blue. There must be some confluence of bits and pieces that suggested
the same thing to both of us somewhere in the pilot. Which seems rather
odd since I haven't thought about the Philadephia Experiment in more than
twenty years.
I'm with JacksGirl on this in hoping this is the wrong theory. I'd much
rather suspend disbelief over a single thing - a naturally-occurring Bermuda
Triangle-style 'rip' between alternate Earths - than go in for a long-term
conspiracy that stretches credibility in an X-Files-like fashion. If true
the show would still be fun but at that point I probably wouldn't bother
trying to ground it in fact anymore.
Besides, like JacksGirl pointed out a natural rip that's been appearing
over thousands/tens of thousands/millions/whatever years allows for much
greater leeway on the part of the writers.
In any event, everything is up for grabs at the moment and all the theories
are interesting to read. It'll be a kick to finally see who was right,
who was wrong, and how close we brushed up to the truth along the way.
maxpublic
nastyned- I think it's one of the two. Either its there but it's invisible,
or it's someplace else. I haven't spent any time developing the inter-dimensional
aspects of the Unified Field Theory, but you are more then welcome to.
maxpublic - Actually I'll be pretty excited if they go this route, there
will be a lot of things they can explain along the way, and there are
so many ways they could do it. The island is just a starting point, hopefully
we'll start to get some answers when the French lady shows up later on,
I think in episode 8.
pinnerman
Just got home. way to go max and pinnerman, I was waiting for that.. never
occured to me..Though I do remember the movie having a rumor of it being
a true story.. I loved the guy inb the deck..You know what ..X-files did
the same damn story..using an elephant too !!
Anyone rememebr that one?
yung23
? i believe I read that the island was said to have been around for thousands
and thousands and thousands of years, if it's a Philedelphia Experiment
island then who was around that far back to do it?? I get the impression
that the island has been '"keeping" souvenirs people/animals
for a long time. Perhaps it's a natural effect, that's causes
magnetic/electrical disturbances, helping it to remain '"lost"
to far away detection, and if your close enough to detect it, then you
close enough to get trapped by it.
I know a lot of islands in that part of the pacific have myths of mysterious
islands where they say their origins began, if I recall I think its was
called mu or lemeria?? they where the atlantis of the pacific ocean. Maybe
they are on mu, maybe if some of the origin myths are true and this is
where life sprang from, maybe from time to time it reaches out and takes
a little back LMAO
RedShirt
What if this experiment actually created the bermuda triangle phen. ?
Somehow during the ex. the island phased through time/spce popping up
throughout opposite polarities along the axis of the earth....I saw another
pinn. link ? showing the bermuda triangle scatted systemically along the
lower hemisphere.... sorry I dont have the link.. I fetch it later..
If it popped up closer to antartica it may have picked up a polar bear...and
if it popped through time and space it may have picked up some mammoths
!! Later it may pick up future humanoids.. advanced/evolved versions of
todays humans..
or a new inhabitant of earth... wow you could go anywhere with this idea...
BUt is it going to be accepted by the mainstream ?
An invisible creature, never to be seen... It still dont like to think
its invisible..Boring.. Especially now that we have a program as wonderful
as Maya.
yung23
Red Shirt & Yung: I like both your theories. Way more natural and up my
alley.
But the island doesn't have to necessarily "pop" elsewhere.
It could merely breathe and open the gate elsewhere (sorry - won't give
it up no matter how brilliant others might be).
And the creature isn't necessarily invisible either. Predator-like, definitely
a master of camouflage.
JacksGirlfriend
The only thing that seems a bit off with it, you've already touched upon.
While I haven't gone in depth to research it, wouldn't the EMP cause their
tranceiver, as long as anything else electronical to be inoperable?
Which we've clearly seen that it did work, even if the batteries would
eventually run out.The big thing that didn't make any sense to me, was
what the pilot said, maybe I'm just not getting it, but his little rant
about what happened, I don't understand at what point they got 1,000 miles
off course?
Is he saying at the six hour mark. (or there abouts) Everything went dead,
they went to turn back to Figi.. but went down? Landing them 1,000 miles
off course. If so.. what caused them to get so far off course to begin
with.
Or is he saying, something caused everything to go wacky some 1,000 miles
back, and they are off course now.. but weren't so much before.. but without
the instruments they just got lost? If so, what caused everything to go
bad so far away?
AshenFang
The EMP part, I can take it or leave it. I read about the possibility
of this effect being a factor somewhere on one of the sites. Turbulence
alone, plus the electromagnetic field which would affect some of the instruments
could have brought the plane down. There's always the possibility that
the plane just went down as a normal accident, and was unlucky enough
to crash on this particular island.
On the flight, I'm not totally sure, like good writers do, they left it
vague enough for all kinds of interpretation. All I know is this concept
explains what the pilot meant by "No one could see us", and
I think it's on purpose that he didn't say where he thought they were,
just that they were off course. By the way...
I'm wondering is I should post this on the ABC site, it might be too much
for them.
pinnerman
It will definitely be too much for them, but absolutely... Go for it.
Maybe the more serious ones will come over here. Maybe they're trapped
because they don't know what their options are. Do them a favor. Extend
the invitation. They can either come over here or run for the hills. I'd
want to join you if I weren't already here...
JacksGirlfriend
Pinnerman...you live up to your reputation...I'm stumped.
I think you got it, I really do. This seems 100 per cent hole-proof and
a great basis for ANYTHING.
Just imagine what JacksGirl said, something went wrong...maybe very wrong.
There could have been created a permanent time-rift which isn't closeable
again. This could create all sorts of situations.
But sticking to this island alone will sometime reach the limit, I'm very
certain about that.
While getting somewhere else might destroy the whole point of what the
series started out to demonstrate.
Whatever...your theory is too fitting to be completely off the scale.
Maybe the makers read this and think, "Oh bummer, that wise-crack got
it...let's turn the tables and show him, hahahahar!". And then, it might
go somewhere else.
There's still enough room (like you said) for this theory to end up in
something bigger and more original, but I almost could bet it starts right
there.
Crap. How shall I ever believe in my own theories again, now. I hate you.
Abraxas