He that dies pays all debts.
The Tempest. Act iii. Sc. 2
Has anyone considered the possibility that the "surviving"
castaways were actually resurrected?
Lots of folks have suggested that everyone died in the plane crash and
that the survivors are in purgatory. I think they're partly right--everyone
did die but a select few have been brought back to life somehow for some
as yet unkown purpose.
Think about it. It explains Locke's miraculous recovery from paralysis.
It also explains why there are so many survivors of a plane crash that,
by the look of the wreckage, should have killed everyone. It gives added
significance to Jack's statement that they all died three days ago. It
also plays into the new testament symbolism of 40 days that's been noted
by the writers themselevs.
There are at least two problems I see with this theory. First, why were
they resurrected? I don't honestly know. My best guess is that it's some
kind of alien experiment--primarily because aliens appear in Walt's comic
book. Maybe all the survivors share some commonality that makes them valuable
to the experiment. Or maybe these were simply the least damaged of the
survivors. Note how they all have fairly superficial wounds.
All, of course, except for the marshall, which brings me to the second
problem. If Locke was cured of his paralysis, why wasn't the marshall
cured of his shrapnel wound? I confess I don't have a good answer beyond
speculating that maybe the marshall lacks some quality the other survivors
share. I realize that's not very persuasive at this point, but who knows?
awsecond
Interesting theory but its kind of faulty.
1) If the aliens or whoever wants to experiment hand-picked these ppl
and cured Locke of his paralysis, why couldn't they either kill Marshall
or have him cured too?
2) If the criterion was to pick the least injured people, why pick Locke
or Marshall?Myzty
As I said in my post, the marshall is a problem. My best guess is that
he lacks whatever special commonality unites the rest of the survivors.
Maybe he was the only passenger who actually survived the crash, and the
powers that be just decided to let him die naturally.
You make a good point about Locke, as well. The best I can guess is that
he either shares the special commonality, or his spinal injury was somehow
easier to fix than lost limbs or shrapnel through bodies. In fact, I wouldn't
even rule out the possibility that curing his paralysis was a mistake--an
unintentional byproduct of whatever procedure was used to resurrect them.
Truthfully, however, I'm not sure.
PS: Here's another possibility that someone just proposed on imdb: maybe
Locke's paralysis was cured b/c it happened four years ago, while the
marshall's injuries happened during the crash.
awsecond
That actually ties in with Philly Experiment theory? Doesnt it? *scratches
head* I am so confuzzled!
Myzty
Nice theory - it reminded me of "The Quiet Earth" - a mid '80s
mediocre scifi flick. The premise was a Gov experiment that went bad and
killed everybody on the earth except for a select few who were at the
point of death - they were resurected.
Here is my theory - whatever the strange experiment that involves the
island caused the plane to crash. All of the survivors all were at the
point of death when they either passed through whatever or some event
of the experiment happened and were resurected. All of the passengers
who died did so at a different time.
This would explain why Jack woke up in the forest away from the beach.
Didn't jack say he does not remember the crash because he blacked out?
Also this would explain why Locke can now walk and why all the surviors
injuries seem to be superficial. As for the marshall - maybe he was resurected
with either the shrapnel in him or the shrapnel got him after the resurection.
If I remember correctly, we did not see anyone get out of the plane they
were already on the beach.
What do you think.
Whis7ler
Mytzy: how do you figure re the relationship with Philadelphia Experiment?
Not saying you're wrong, just that I'd love to hear more.
Whis7ler: I agree with a lot of what you say, though I'm not sure the
experiment caused the crash unintentionally. If that were so, why would
the "survivors" have been revived in the first place? Seems
to me it can't have been an accident. I'm betting they were revived for
a purpose--we just don't yet know what.
Still, as I say,I'm with you 100% re no one emerging from the plane. That's
always struck me as suspicious. Along with the fact that everyone dead
just happens to still be in their seats with seatbelts fastened.
awsecond
Hello this is my first post so here it goes...
Remember this is a showed based on known facts as of this day. Nothing
fictional, not saying there are other beings out there its just there
is no solid proof.
I was reading another thread that stated this is all in Locke's head...I
am going to go with that theory...Think about the show thus far, anything
good or "miracle" has happened to him. 2 examples are he made
the dog whistle, which made the boy happy. Of coarse the big one he can
walk now. In the flash back to the "real world" his boss dogs
him, his only close relationship is with a 900 # girl....
I don't know but I think the show will revolve around Locke somehow bluecord13
as talented as everyone says these creators and writers are, they would
never have this show take place inside this guy's head. way too unoriginal
of an idea. i think too many people would be way too disappointed in this
show if they took that turn with it.
akg
I agree that this show wouldn't take place in Locke's head. First of all,
it's a cop-out, and I don't think any self-respecting author would actually
*plan* on basing an entire series on this premise. Also, it doesn't really
seem to fit: while Locke indeed shows signs of playing an important role
in the setup, he doesn't strike me as pivotal. He would have to interact
with way more people than he does right now, and would have to benefit
from each of these interactions - I just don't think that this will happen.
Still, I might buy into that theory if he manages to hit it off with Shannon
BTW, if anybody has seen the move "Identity", it features a
similar concept, but didn't really work out in the end (at least for me).
Every character in the movie turned out to represent one facet of some
guy's mind, which seemed interesting at first, but quickly came to a dead-end
once the basic idea was revealed. Anyway...
I'm still feeling kind of ambivalent about Locke. True, he is delusional
and seemed a bit of a loser in 'real life', but there were signs of something
else. Effectively, he has accomplished quite a bit: Foremost bringing
back that boar, but also smaller things, like the way he threw that knife,
or how he managed to carve a working dog flute - and he is the only one
to survive a face-to-face meeting with the monster, whatever it may turn
out to be. Also, his delusions seem to have driven him to gather quite
a bit of knowledge about certain things, like how to carve that flute,
or the facts about boars (which sounded as if he got them out of some
book, if you're asking me), and don't forget about how he talked about
Backgammon.I don't know if it's me, but did Helen sound as if she thought
of him a little differently than of her other customers? It might be part
of how she has to treat her callers, but I don't know... I thought it
was a bit odd, like the way she really didn't want to charge him another
89$ (or maybe she just wanted out of the conversation, who knows). Oh
well.By the way, did anyone else think that his 'orange smile' in the
epilot was really creepy? At first, I didn't even recognize what it was
and just thought it was part of his face...Anyway, that should be enough
for a first post. Please feel free to post any thoughts about my interpretations,
I'd really like to hear them!
Lizard
Lizard, I think you make some great points. I totally agree that Locke
is very creepy, going back to that orange smile and his Gordon Jumpesque
"Do you wanna know a secret" to Walt. The writers have implied
in interviews that they are not misleading us about this, and I think
last night's episode was meant to confirm those feelings - in part.
But I think it was also meant to highlight the transformation Locke has
undergone. He was strong willed but pathetic back in civilization. Remember,
he'd only been paralyzed for four years. Plenty of time before then to
have done the walkabout. I get the sense he grasps that he's been given
a second chance, and is taking full advantage of it.
I also think the backgammon conversation is significant in still another
respect. I've predicted elsewhere that the castaways will eventually split
allegiances between Jack and Sawyer. Note that one has dark hair, and
one has light. Some mock me for dwelling on such minutiae, but I truly
think that's the significance of the backgammon speech.
awsecond
I just want to give props for the Gordon Jump reference.
jobbermanlost
if the group splits up they will draw way too many comparisons to earlier
stories. They are doing a good job of being original so far.
Baron X
If the group splits, it won't be along the lines of Jack and Sawyer. They're
a team whether they like each other or not right now. It was evident to
me in the way Sawyer immediately began to follow Jack toward the fuselage.
It wasn't a macho "I'm the one for this job" movement. He was
following him as backup. You don't act that way in a situation, then abandon
him later.
They have problems dealing with one another because their personalities
are different and each has his own way of dealing with trauma. Chances
are their backgrounds are as different as night and day, as is the emotional
baggage that haunts them. But Jack and Sawyer are both stand-up guys and
stand-up guys stick together, protect the group and look out for each
other.
JacksGirlfriend
Touching......but why is Sawyer bogarting the peanuts?
Baron X
I know how much you like Sawyer, Baron.
I think he's over protective of that bag because his letter's inside and
that letter is the key to what kind of man he really is.
JacksGirlfriend
you two just need to get a room.
Baron X
I think a split between the survivors will definitely occur. "It's
been done" is not an argument, because well... if it's been done,
it's been done for the reason that it is the perfectly logical thing to
happen, and the writers are not going to miss that. And really, who hasn't
already been reminded of Lord of the Flies or something like it? I don't
think they'd shy away from splitting the group just to avoid references.
As for reasons for the split, I believe it's going to happen because of
differences in motivation for the characters, although I don't think it
would necessarily have to be Sawyer to lead the split-offs; could as well
be Sayid or even Rose.
By motivation I mean the driving force of the character's desire to stay
alive on the island. One group is going to do it in order to 'just' survive,
quite obviously led by Jack (maybe even to obviously, but I don't think
so), the other group is not going to abandon hope and believe that rescue
is going to come. Based on this differing beliefs, there will be various
conflicts of interest, which leads to the problem that while i.e. Jack
might think it would be in the best interest of the group to fully chart
the island, Sawyer would say that it was not safe enough and they should
all stay on the beach. Both would ultimately be right from their perspective,
both would act out of a desire to protect the group (although Jack would
be right in thinking more long-term, but of course that's only for us
as the audience to know), and both would find some supporters for their
respective causes.
I'd love to stay and speculate who is going to be in which group, and
for which personal reasons, but I have to go now... catch you later.
Lizard
Baron: I don't think there are any rooms on the island... but I'll look
into it.
JacksGirlfriend
Thanks, jobbermanlost, though just to be clear to those not in the know,
that wasn't a WKRP reference. Rather, I was referring to Jump's notorious
guest appearance on Different Strokes where he played a creepy guy who
molests Dudley.
BaronX: I think it's a stretch to expect anything to be completely original
in this day and age. It's all been done before--plane crashes, castaways,
monsters. I actually give the show props for not giving in to the anxiety
of influence, and striving instead to combine old elements in new ways.
That's the path to originality these days.
Jack'sGirl: I actually agree with you to a point. I think Jack and Sawyer
will start out as a team, much as Jack and Ralph start out as a team in
Lord of the Flies. (I know, I know--I read too much into these things...)
But the tension between them is palpable, all the moreso since Sawyer
seems to have an eye for Kate. Ironically enough, I think Sawyer and Sayid
may actually develop the strongest bond.
Lizard: Once again, I agree with a lot of what you say. I particularly
like your point about Jack and Sawyer having a genuine, good faith conflict.
I want to be absolutely clear: I do not think this is a good vs. evil
kind of split. That's why I think analogies to the Stand, while interesting,
have limited value. When the group splits, it won't be along simply manichean
lines. Just as light and dark do not represent good and evil in backgammon,
neither will they on Lost.
awsecond
awsecond, thank you
I agree with your posts, too (not very surprisingly, I should add), and
I liked the thought about backgammon. Obviously, the scene has a high
significance to the show (just look at the way it was presented), so I'm
guessing they wanted to tell the viewer what he should expect from the
show - which is, a portrayal of conflicts. And I just love how many conflicts
the writers have already introduced... starting with the obvious people
vs. monster thingy, which I think might very well subject to twists later
on, and going on with things like conflicts of interest (or motivation,
like I said - truth vs. hope, as discussed in another thread), racial
conflicts (think Michael vs. Jin, but on a deeper level), Jacks reluctance
to lead as witnessed in the last episode vs. the group's need for him,
everyone's history vs. the new status they have acquired on the island
(Locke!), and so on. Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing it all played
out.
Lizard